ATG Poll #4- EXPANSION ERA TEAMS

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Possible EXP Additions

Poll ended at Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:12 pm

2005 Chicago White Sox
7
7%
2004 Boston Red Sox
9
9%
2003 Florida Marlins
11
11%
2002 Anaheim Angels
7
7%
2001 Seattle Mariners
21
21%
1999 Atlanta Braves
4
4%
1998 San Diego Padres
7
7%
1997 Cleveland Indians
7
7%
1994 Montreal Expos
22
22%
1991 Minnesota Twins
4
4%
 
Total votes : 99

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Re: ATG Poll #4- EXPANSION ERA TEAMS

PostWed Jul 15, 2015 5:30 pm

The Expos relief corps should produce some good additions, but the hitters will all be 15IJ risks.
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Re: ATG Poll #4- EXPANSION ERA TEAMS

PostThu Jul 16, 2015 12:24 pm

Nor was much thought evident in the community's lack of response to these polls. It is quite telling that only thirty some odd people even responded to the exp. team poll.

Garbage in, garbage out. :x :roll:
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Re: ATG Poll #4- EXPANSION ERA TEAMS

PostFri Jul 17, 2015 12:06 am

if there was a subset of 50 great teams to choose from it would be interesting. then we could have leagues facing off the great teams.

this does not do much for franchises since most of the players already have cards. the blue jays still do not have a cf and also have limited bp options. these teams will just give us more unusable cards

what a waste
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Re: ATG Poll #4- EXPANSION ERA TEAMS

PostSun Aug 30, 2015 4:44 pm

djp_77 wrote:The "franchise league" people were complaining about not having full teams for the Rays, D-Backs, Rockies, Marlins, Padres, Mariners, Rangers, Expos, and the Blue Jays.

Only the Expos, Padres, Mariners and Marlins got on the poll.

We should have been able to nominate the teams. I would have preferred going back to nominating any player we want. It was a lot more fun and the community got involved. A lot of people were interested for a few weeks giving their opinions on players.

Here all we get is a few good players that already have better cards on here and a bunch of players that will only be used at lower caps. No good starters are coming out of these teams.

How does the 2004 Red Sox help all time greats? I would take 1986 Barfield over that entire team.

I support everything about this post, even though I haven't been involved in the online forums very long (been playing strat since the mid 80s though).

I would love 86 Barfield, 91 Ward, 87/89 Henke, 83/84 Moseby, 92 Guzman, 88-90 Gruber, 06 Wells, 91 White, 86 Eichorn, (really ? one of the all time great relief seasons, already digitized, not available for the all-time greats makes zero sense). It may be as well that the 2015 Jays show themselves worthy of being added to the list of great teams.

I will now catch up with the rest of this thread
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Re: ATG Poll #4- EXPANSION ERA TEAMS

PostMon Aug 31, 2015 3:02 pm

Chiming in late, and not an ATG player (just subscribed for my first league this weekend) but anyway, a few comments...

Here all we get is a few good players that already have better cards on here and a bunch of players that will only be used at lower caps. No good starters are coming out of these teams.


I chose this quote, but I could have quoted others saying that Garcia should concentrate on adding "useful players" à la Barfield 1986.

In my opinion, there are different ways to be attracted to SOM, and choosing among a set of 4500+ players is not the only one, and I'm certainly not more attracted to a set with 4501+ players plus Barfield (no disrespect to Barfield).

Personally, my motivation to begin with a first chip in ATG is either the Franchise league or confrontations between different yearly teams (more on that second part below). And since I was a fan of the Montreal Expos, I'm glad to see the 1994 edition and I am certainly attracted to use at least the most useful of them----certainly not in an unlimited cap league, but perhaps in a franchise league or even in a normal 80M league.

It doesn't look like there was much thought put into these selections. Worthier Montreal teams, some good Arizona, Houston, Toronto and Florida teams are out there. I won't be voting for any of these.


It's a legitimate concern that SOM might not have offered the best options, but I seem to believe that the addition of the 1994 Expos renders Montreal as a potential franchise team. We now have a 3M ss (as expected, Cordero's defense is poor with 3e33, but at least it's not a ss-4), Fassero and Henry cards add lefty options at sp that were virtually lacking. There are more subtle additions too: the second Ken Hill card gives you another 4M option to complete the rotation, but with a different balance (3R instead of 3L), the addition of a balanced 2M second base who could be a starter in 100M franchise team. The Expos might still be too weak for a 140M league, but it's now capable of having a 100M legitimate team, in my opinion.

if there was a subset of 50 great teams to choose from it would be interesting. then we could have leagues facing off the great teams.

this does not do much for franchises since most of the players already have cards. the blue jays still do not have a cf and also have limited bp options. these teams will just give us more unusable cards

what a waste


I don't know if there are 50 great teams, but I count 62 teams with at least 20 players, and from the naked eyes, I count at least 20 others teams (probably more) that could be fulfilled with consecutive years (teams with 18 players from one year that could have at least 20 from the year before or after). So there are sufficient teams to have theme leagues with yearly teams. List is below. So adding full teams is certainly another way to attract new players like me in the ATG set.

    1909DET-db 21
    1911PHA-db 20
    1924WAS-pre 23
    1927NYY-pre 22
    1927PIT-pre 21
    1929CHC-pre 23
    1929PHA-pre 23
    1932PHI-pre 22
    1934CLE-pre 24
    1934NYG-pre 24
    1934STL-pre 22
    1936NYG-pre 21
    1940CIN-pre 24
    1940DET-pre 24
    1942STL-pre 21
    1946BOS-pre 26
    1946STL-pre 23
    1953BKN-post 24
    1954CLE-post 25
    1955CHW-post 26
    1955CIN-post 27
    1956NYY-post 22
    1957MIL-post 24
    1959CHW-post 23
    1960PIT-post 22
    1961NYY-post 23
    1962NYG-post 24
    1964PHI-post 26
    1965BKN-post 23
    1965WAS-post 25
    1966BAL-post 26
    1967BOS-exp 24
    1968DET-exp 20
    1969NYM-exp 23
    1970BAL-exp 21
    1970CHC-exp 20
    1971PIT-exp 20
    1973OAK-exp 23
    1974TEX-exp 22
    1975CIN-exp 23
    1977LA-exp 21
    1977TEX-exp 21
    1978BOS-exp 22
    1979CAL-exp 23
    1980KC-exp 23
    1980MON-exp 23
    1982ATL-exp 28
    1982CAL-exp 24
    1982MIL-exp 26
    1983BAL-exp 23
    1984CHC-exp 22
    1984DET-exp 24
    1984SD-exp 24
    1984SEA-exp 23
    1985TOR-exp 25
    1986HOU-exp 27
    1986NYM-exp 24
    1986NYY-exp 26
    1987STL-exp 25
    1988OAK-exp 25
    1990OAK-exp 25
    1994MON-exp 24
    2001SEA-exp 27
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