Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:50 amI don't know the #'s or have anything to back it up other than the experience of playing the game, but if the offensive #'s are the same I'll take the 2 at SS and 4 at 3B anyday of the week.
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:50 amPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:14 amEach range factor at SS is worth about 20-25 errors. Each range factor at 3b is worth about 8-10 errors. An error is defense is basically the same as a hit on offense -- 25 one base errors over the course of a season is basically the same as 25 singles or maybe .35 points of obp and slg.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:48 pmA website I reference for comparing defense ratings with expected offensive OPS production differences is:
http://andrew-stevens.tripod.com/index/stratfield.html
I haven't found any errors in the math or theory behind it. There are some assumptions, but they seem valid.
Using his analysis, the big difference in 3B will equate to about a .174 difference in offensive OPS. The difference at SS equates to about .141. So, based on that analysis, if the offense is the same between the batters involved, the defense of the 1e10 at 3B more than makes up for the difference at SS.
http://andrew-stevens.tripod.com/index/stratfield.html
I haven't found any errors in the math or theory behind it. There are some assumptions, but they seem valid.
Using his analysis, the big difference in 3B will equate to about a .174 difference in offensive OPS. The difference at SS equates to about .141. So, based on that analysis, if the offense is the same between the batters involved, the defense of the 1e10 at 3B more than makes up for the difference at SS.
Re: Break even point for runs allowed by position
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:01 pmPlease check my article on this subject at:
[url]http://www.silenceisdefeat.com/~meandean/som/OffensevsDefense.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.silenceisdefeat.com/~meandean/som/OffensevsDefense.pdf[/url]
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:34 pmStevens' article looks interesting, but Dean's classic treatise -- when subtracted from the NERP in Diamond Dope's analysis will give you a great idea of a player's relative run value to a team.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:39 pmbump, I reference this thread and almost couldn't find it.
Sorry for bumping an old one but the link to the defensive study is quite useful
Sorry for bumping an old one but the link to the defensive study is quite useful
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:01 pmI have no idea about empirical studies, but Troy Tulowitzki's defense and all the DPs he starts was worth the price even though his offensive production is pathetic.
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/stratomatic/team/team.html
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/stratomatic/team/team.html
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 6:01 pmEach range factor over 1:
SS: Add 21 to errors -- 3e20 == 62 (2*21 + 20), 2e14 == 35
2B: Add 18
3B: Add 9 (4e16== 43)
1B: Add 6
This is a rough est, as it doesn't completely show SI** that you get more of in 3 and 4 range.
The DP factor isn't calc'd as well this way, though that's generally a pretty small piece of the equation. I believe Dean's chart is most precise.
SS: Add 21 to errors -- 3e20 == 62 (2*21 + 20), 2e14 == 35
2B: Add 18
3B: Add 9 (4e16== 43)
1B: Add 6
This is a rough est, as it doesn't completely show SI** that you get more of in 3 and 4 range.
The DP factor isn't calc'd as well this way, though that's generally a pretty small piece of the equation. I believe Dean's chart is most precise.
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:47 pm[quote:4d881299c1="toshiro"]Each range factor over 1:
SS: Add 21 to errors -- 3e20 == 62 (2*21 + 20), 2e14 == 35
2B: Add 18
3B: Add 9 (4e16== 43)
1B: Add 6
This is a rough est, as it doesn't completely show SI** that you get more of in 3 and 4 range.
The DP factor isn't calc'd as well this way, though that's generally a pretty small piece of the equation. I believe Dean's chart is most precise.[/quote:4d881299c1]
very helpful, thanks
SS: Add 21 to errors -- 3e20 == 62 (2*21 + 20), 2e14 == 35
2B: Add 18
3B: Add 9 (4e16== 43)
1B: Add 6
This is a rough est, as it doesn't completely show SI** that you get more of in 3 and 4 range.
The DP factor isn't calc'd as well this way, though that's generally a pretty small piece of the equation. I believe Dean's chart is most precise.[/quote:4d881299c1]
very helpful, thanks